Michael: Do you think Kylo Ren will be back?
Jordan: He’ll be back. Snoke said “time for us to complete your training”.
Michael: He didn’t die, but I feel like he’s not going to be the main villain next time.
Gaby: For me, it’s like Han was okay with Kylo killing him? That’s the impression I got from the scene, that Han was helping him with this.
Alex: No, Han was tricked. He wanted to help his son see the good. Kylo wanted Han’s help in making killing him easy.
Mason: It was a weird scene.
Donald: I think that was just Han in a way saying, “It’s ok, I still love you.”
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Michael: Exactly. He wanted to be killed by somebody he cared for and not just shot to death by some random blaster.
Alex: You can see it in the lighting in that scene. Han has light and blue on his face. Kylo is in the dark, cast with red. Then the light goes out, and darkness prevails in that moment. But Han’s face isn’t of pain or anger in the last moments. It’s not acceptance either. It’s heartbreak. It’s remorse.
Jordan: I thought it was a great double meaning. Han thought he was helping his son “do something very difficult” meaning turning to good, but he really just wanted to look his dad in the eyes to KNOW what he has to do.
Mason: The whole scene in my opinion was a bit strange. I think Han really thought his son wanted help.
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Jordan: Yep. I agree. Weird, but effective.
Mason: Oh very effective. A movie finally had some balls to kill someone.
Michael: Even in that moment though, I don’t think Kylo accepted it
Alex: That scene was a gut punch. It is weird, but so is the situation.
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Donald: It was a great scene for me personally. He had a struggle within between light and dark and killing his father would help seal his fate to the darkness.
Michael: For the rest of the movie, he’s much more angry and unbalanced than normal. He’s feeling the agony of the loss of his father, and I think it’s gonna eat away at him more and more.
Alex: And they cut to Leia feeling it in the force! My heart broke at that. You know she’s gotta live with the guilt now that she told Han to confront Kylo.
Jordan: Can we each give our pitches for what we think went down with Luke, his new Jedi order, Rey and Ben Solo?
Alex: Luke was teaching a new generation of Jedi, Ben included. At some point, Snoke seduced him to the Dark side to join his new Dark order, the Knights of Ren. Kylo’s first initiation: killing all of Luke’s younglings.
Michael: I’m still not sure how Rey fits in. I don’t think she’s Luke’s daughter
Donald: She’s somebody’s daughter. They kept emphasizing her abandonment in the movie.
Michael: Everyone is.
Mason: That would be too much.
Alex: I don’t want Rey to be a Skywalker. It would be too cheesey. It doesn’t make sense right now. She thinks Luke is a myth, so she can’t be his daughter. She can’t be Han and Leia’s other kid, because they’d recognize her or say something.
Mason: She’s a very engaging character already; she doesn’t need to be Luke’s daughter.
Jordan: She IS UNDOUBTEDLY somebody’s daughter. In the casting for the movie, Rey and Kylo Ren were the only two parts to have a specificity about their ethnicity.
Alex: And her memory can’t be wiped, because even she knows that her being hidden is “classified.” With her exchange with BB-8, she says her placement is a secret.
Mason: Maybe they will introduce her parents in the next movie.
Michael: I think she’s related to Obi Wan.
Donald: I know she’s Chewbacca’s daughter.
Mason: Maybe she is the daughter of one of Luke’s dead students.
Alex: She’s definitely related to someone. I’d rather she just be an entirely new person that the Force decides to awaken in, but they’re making a big deal out of it.
Gaby: The movie heavily implies that her parentage includes someone we find important. I would be surprised if it was someone new.
Michael: You hear Ewan Mcgregor’s voice in that little fantasy scene, and I think that might be why Luke is so drawn to her. She’s the daughter of his mentor.
Alex: But Obi Wan was a hermit, and a true Jedi to boot. I don’t think he’d ever take a wife.
Mason: How does that work? Unless Ben was a player in his later years.
Michael: Then, how come they used Ewan’s voice?
Alex: They used his voice because that lightsaber is heavily connected to the Force and the events of all the movies. When Rey touches it, she is flooded with everything that talisman has had a stake in.
Michael: I think there might be something in between 3 and 4 we don’t know about him.
Jordan: Here’s what I think went down: Rey is the other Solo child. Luke and Ben were thrown for a loop when they felt her getting much stronger than either of them in training. Ben got jealous and tried to kill her on Jakku, but couldn’t bring himself to do it so he left her, wiping her memory. Now she’s basically a “Russian sleeper agent” Jedi, who can use the force and a lightsaber VERY well despite not knowing why she knows that.
Donald: It’s still a possibility she’s a Solo.
Mason: Maybe. But why would the filmmakers do that?
Donald: I don’t know how likely though.
Alex: You know what crazy parentage theory I’ve come up with? Emperor Palpatine’s granddaughter. He was the ruler of the galaxy, it wouldn’t be too hard to imagine he’d take concubines or something. In a fear for their lives, his children could escape, and then once that child had Rey, they’d know she’d be safer hidden. Because the First Order would definitely seek out the blood of the Emperor.
Michael: I subscribe to Jordan’s more only because there was a definite emphasis on putting Rey and Kylo together, and he did always seem to not want to hurt her. Remember, he throws her out of the way of the final battle. He doesn’t want to fight her.
Alex: It would go with the inversion of the players too. An evil Skywalker versus a good Palpatine.
Mason: That’s interesting.
Jordan: That would be very interesting!
Alex: I’m not a fan of the memory wipe idea. I don’t rule it out, I just think it would be clumsy to have to explain how Han and Leia just didn’t even think to treat or see Rey as their daughter.
Jordan: The reason he got his ass kicked in the last fight is because he thought there was NO WAY she still remembered her training she had when she was like 7.
Michael: Maybe she has a different name.
Jordan: Maybe.
Michael: Maybe she made up her name.
Mason: I don’t think she’s related to anyone. It doesn’t make sense for her to be.
Alex: He got his ass kicked because the lightsaber (his pride, lineage, birthright) chose HER instead of him. Not to mention the wookie bowcaster blast to the gut, haha.
Michael: They definitely made Han and her have quite a bit in common.
Donald: And now she runs the Millennium Falcon.
Mason: She was the replacement for Han essentially.
Donald: Although most people are saying that’s Poe’s role.
Michael: Spiritually it’s Poe.
Alex: I agree with you, Mason, I’d prefer she’s entirely new. I don’t like how Skywalkers have a monopoly on heroism, haha. However, the film does pump up the significance of her parents, so yeah.
Jordan: OH, Alex, I like that “the lineage chose HER” idea. Because Luke’s lightsaber is feeling more and more like Excalibur.
Alex: Definitely.
Jordan: It has a mythic quality, it gives her visions, she could force grab it and not him.
Alex: I actually liked how the same saber has shown up again. It’s quite literally a baton to be passed, but it’s also so connected to the Force and events, that it seeks out a hero once again. It goes with the whole cyclical nature of this movie. Although they completely glossed over how Maz Kanata got it, haha.
Mason: Well, plenty of people have been able to force grab lightsabers that aren’t their own.
Michael: It likely needs new batteries though. Rey needs to get to that Duracell shop.
Alex: The battery is the Force, you heathens!
Michael: Well, it’s actually the crystals in the saber, but I digress.
Mason: They probably only put the lightsaber there as a reference to A New Hope.
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